The Tucker Carlson Show

00:00 It's an interesting and revealing experience to talk to Trump voters right now. They're having a lot of conflicting thoughts. 00:07 Now, most people who voted for Donald Trump in 2024 did so not because they were more popular with their neighbors, but because they felt that Donald Trump was the last chance this country had to make fundamental changes it needed to make to avert obvious disasters looming on the horizon. 00:28 And so because people who voted for Trump did so against the considered advice of every news organization in the United States, basically, and all educated, fashionable people, they kind of went out on a limb to vote for this guy. There is a natural hesitance to concede that things aren't working as planned. So if you talk to them, they will almost all concede, almost all concede that a regime change war with Iran was kind of not part of the plan. 00:59 Very few people voted for Trump, hoping that the Iran nuclear program that didn't actually exist in any meaningful way would be the central focus of the administration, like that nobody thought that who voted for Trump two years ago. 01:13 And some of them will tell you, no, it's actually very important that we ended that or continue to fight Iran for whatever reason. Those of the Fox News viewers are almost all over 70. But for most Trump voters, It's an obvious betrayal, like obviously. Of course we didn't want that. Of course you promised you wouldn't do it, you did it. 01:31 So they'll tell you that. 01:34 But that's not the same as regretting their vote for Trump, because most people who voted for Trump, who I should say are some of the best people in the country, whatever you think of Trump, there's sort of this weird situation where the best people in the country elected one of the worst people in the country, or another way to put it, the people who care most about the United States, who are the most vested in the system, who believe most fervently in, say, the Constitution, somehow elected a guy who doesn't care at all about any of that. So how did that happen? Well, only historians probably will unravel that mystery. But in the meantime, most people who voted for Trump, that we've talked to anyway, are not at the point where they're rejecting Trump. 02:11 They don't want to reject Trump. 02:13 They vested so much in the guy that it's too hard to concede that, wow, that was a mistake. 02:20 And of course, most of them wouldn't vote for Kamala Harris under any circumstances. So it's not like they had someone else to vote for. 02:27 But if you press them a little bit, they say, look, yeah, of course, this is not going as planned at all. 02:32 And they'll tell you what a lot of them said in his first term from 2016 to 2020. They'll say, you know, he's a good guy, but he's surrounded somehow by bad people who don't share the same vision, who are not America first, who were in it for themselves or in it for a foreign country or whatever. They've sold Trump out, but Trump either can't get a handle on the federal bureaucracy or he just doesn't know. He doesn't know that they're doing this. You know, if only Trump knew. 02:59 And then if you press them still more, they will say, yeah, well, look, it's not great in a lot of ways, but immigration. 03:07 He sealed the border. He kept his promises on immigration. And that's not a small thing because Trump's position on immigration is the core of the Trump movement and has been since 2015 when he first emerged as a candidate. 03:23 Not a credible candidate. He was still kind of a joke to a lot of people in Washington, New York, and LA. 03:29 But he soon became a force in the Republican Party and then pretty swiftly took over the Republican Party because of his position on immigration. 03:39 Really for two reasons. 03:41 One, it was a lot more popular than anyone in New York, Los Angeles, or Washington had any idea, just didn't know that there was a whole world out there that disagreed with him vehemently on the question of immigration. And not just illegal immigration, but immigration broadly, like who should live here? 03:59 Do we have too many people here? Too few people here? 04:03 Most people feel there are too many already. It's becoming a crowded country and most Americans are not for that. Why would they be for that? And they felt this way even 10 years ago. 04:14 And so Trump's position on that is the thing, the single thing that vaulted him from failed casino magnet to presidential nominee. It was immigration and his willingness, and this is the second part of the equation, to basically give the finger, not simply to the establishment, but to the Republican establishment. Trump was never an orthodox Republican. That's not a knock against him, that's the whole reason that so many Republican voters supported him, because they were dissatisfied with their own party. 04:44 They'd voted for these guys since Reagan, at least, since 1980. 04:48 And what had they gotten? Not a better country, but a weaker, poorer country. 04:53 Their party had betrayed them, and they knew that, whether they admitted it in public or not. 04:58 So Trump's willingness to break with the Republican Party on the question of immigration, which was a core Republican orthodoxy. It was Ronald Reagan, of course, who signed the amnesty of 1986, totally changing the composition of the state of California, his state. 05:14 And others. 05:15 And so from 1986 to 2016, that was the Republican position. Yeah, we have problems with illegal immigration, but immigration is great. It's the basis of our country. It's engraved on the bottom of the Statue of Liberty. Give us your tired and poor and people yearning to be free, etc. That's the guy who does my lawn. 05:37 Only Trump could change that. 05:41 Or... 05:42 More to the point, only Trump did change that. 05:45 And so in case you've forgotten, here is the last 10 years encapsulated in four or five sound bites of Donald Trump on immigration. And the first clip you're about to see is exactly 10 years old. It was August 31st, 2016, exactly 10 years ago. Here's Donald Trump. 06:05 The fundamental problem. 06:08 with the immigration system in our country is that it serves the needs of wealthy donors, political activists, and powerful, powerful politicians. That's all you can do. Let me tell you who it does not serve. It does not serve you, the American people. It doesn't serve you. Under my administration, Anyone who illegally crosses the border will be detained until they are removed out of our country and back to the country from which they came. 06:46 Anyone who has entered the United States illegally is subject to deportation. That is what it means to have laws and to have a country. Otherwise, we don't have a country. Day one, my first hour in office, those people are gone. 07:18 And you can call it deported if you want. The press doesn't like that term. You can call it whatever the hell you want. They're gone. 07:27 You know, it's worth lingering over those words. And you wonder who wrote that. Sounds like a Stephen Miller speech. 07:32 Much hate towards Stephen Miller, the old Stephen Miller, for writing things like that. We're just guessing. But let's just consider these words. The fundamental problem with the immigration system in our country is that it serves the needs of wealthy donors, political activists, and powerful politicians. Let me tell you who it does not serve. It does not serve the American people. It doesn't serve you. So how is that not true? Everything about that paragraph is true. The immigration system was not designed to benefit the public. And if it was, tell me how it's worked. 08:05 There's no net economic benefit to the way the United States has done immigration over the last 25 years. 08:12 And if there is, what was it? 08:14 How could a country that transitions from manufacturing to a knowledge economy and now to high tech to an economy that doesn't even really need labor? That's the promise of AI. How does it need 100 million new low skilled workers who don't speak English? 08:30 Tell me what need that serves. Tell me how the United States benefits from that ordinary people. Of course, there's no sense in which. 08:37 The public benefits from that. 08:39 And you know that that's true because the people who designed that system and have defended that system haven't actually defended it. They've merely attacked anyone who questions that system. 08:51 You're a racist. You just don't like them because they're not white. 08:55 Meanwhile, often in the same speech, they will say, immigration is turning America non-white. And that's great. And anyone who notices that is a believer in the great replacement conspiracy theory, which is anti-Semitic. Huh? 09:11 It's not an argument in favor of immigration. It's a control tactic designed to crush opposition to a program that on its face hurts the majority of the country and is certainly being enacted against the will of the majority of the country. 09:27 And so way back 10 years ago in August of 2016, Trump said that out loud. 09:32 And that may be more than anything, perhaps his opposition to the Iraq war retroactively. 09:40 But let's just say probably more than anything, his critique of the American immigration system and particularly his point, his true impossible to refute point that it serves only the people who designed it and not the public. 09:56 That's why they opposed him. 10:00 And that itself is revealing because, in fact, Trump is making a kind of traditionally left-wing critique, a pro-labor critique. In fact, he's making a species of exactly the same argument that organized labor made throughout the teens and 20s. And that's why after the First World War in about 1924, at the behest of the labor unions, the United States essentially shut down immigration into the country to keep the labor market tight, to keep wages up, for the working and middle class. And that's one of the main reasons that this country from then until 2015 under Barack Obama had a majority in the middle class. 10:38 That is no longer true. 10:39 And the primary reason it's no longer true is because labor markets were watered down by more people. It's a supply and demand question. More willing workers, lower wages. 10:53 And then the secondary effect, which is the total destruction of the native workforce. 10:59 People born in this country, raised with a certain expectation of standard of living, drop out of the workforce entirely. They give up. 11:07 And that has happened and it's measurable. 11:09 In fact, it's one of the defining facts the moment we're living in, though it's almost never noted. People born in this country, people who had conceivably relatives who fought in the Civil War, are dropping out of the workforce in record numbers. That's one of the reasons we still have a tight labor market. It's one of the reasons it's hard to find help, because people born here are not working. 11:31 And they're certainly not working at the lower end of the scale. 11:36 So everything about Trump's critique was not just right, it was spot on. And he rode that critique to victory in 2016, along with a couple of very specific promises. And you heard a couple of them right there, and we'll add another. 11:52 That is build a wall. 11:54 The 2016 campaign could be boiled down to one slogan, build a wall. Well, of course, Trump didn't build a wall, didn't even make really a good faith effort to build a wall. 12:04 And his supporters and defenders mostly ignored that, me included, because most of them felt he probably wanted to. It's just hard. And he got distracted and there was Russiagate. 12:20 Most people who voted for Trump all three times, and even the last time, believed. In fact, I've never met anyone who voted for Trump who didn't believe that he really did understand that mass migration is terrible for the United States as it has been terrible for Europe, as it was terrible for Central Asia under the Mongols. 12:41 It's always terrible. It's too much change too fast, and it destroys the preexisting culture every single time. 12:50 So we know that, that's not racism, that's nature. 12:55 And Trump knew that, and he said it. 12:57 And most people, people who hated him and loved him thought he meant it as he said it. Why did they think that? Because he kept saying it. 13:06 This is one feature of Trump's program that remained consistent from 2015 all the way up until election night 2024. Here is Trump that year, that campaign, on stage with Kamala Harris in the now famous moment where he accused the Haitians of the Midwest of eating the dogs and cats. Watch. 13:28 What they have done to our country by allowing these millions and millions of people to come into our country and look at what's happening to the towns all over the United States. And a lot of towns don't want to talk. It's not going to be Aurora or Springfield. A lot of towns don't want to talk about it because they're so embarrassed by it. In Springfield, they're eating the dogs, the people that came in. They're eating the cats. They're eating... They're eating the pets of the people that live there. 13:57 Really one of the great moments in political history. And of course, it worked on a couple of different levels. On a political level, this is what the kids call trolling. Trump says something knowing it will provoke outrage, blind outrage. In fact, blind rage. And that every liberal on social media will be spouting, just fuming, sputtering, spitting, huffing. 14:22 And that that anger will provoke them, his opponents, to take positions that are totally out of line with where the rest of the public is. In other words, by making them mad, he makes them more extreme. And that extremism sinks their ship in the end. It's smart. 14:40 It may be corrosive. It may be damaging long term. But as a political tactic, that works. And no one did it better. No one does it better to this day than Donald Trump. So on that level, it was a success. But on a deeper level, it worked because there's a lot of truth in that. Were the Haitians eating the dogs and cats in Springfield? I don't know. They certainly could have been. 15:02 Has mass migration, third world mass migration made small towns in America better? Only people who've never been to those towns could claim it has. 15:10 Anyone who's actually been to those towns or lives in one, who's gotten in a car and driven through lightly populated parts of the country in the last 15 years, what does it look like? 15:21 It looks awful. It's dying. 15:24 And the solution in state after state and town after town, city after city, beginning with Chicago, long our second biggest city, now our third, but in all kinds of cities has been, the tax base is gone. 15:36 We've got a lot of empty apartments. We're going to fill them up. 15:41 with immigrants. 15:42 And they've done that. 15:44 And the effect has been devastating to the country. 15:48 It's not an attack on those immigrants. 15:51 Most of them are looking for a better life, whether or not they care about the United States. In many cases, they don't. Many of them don't even seek citizenship. They don't care. They're here to make money for their families back home. That doesn't make them evil. Most of them aren't evil. Some of them are criminals, but most of them aren't. 16:07 In fact, a lot of them are very hard workers. 16:09 So it's not an attack on them to say that it has been utterly devastating to the communities in which they've moved or been moved. 16:19 Because everything changes instantly. 16:23 And what does that mean for the people who live in those communities, who grew up there, who had no role at all in this policy, who wouldn't sign off on it if they'd had the chance, but of course were never given the chance, they weren't even asked. It happened to them. People who live far away, who have more power than they do, imposed this on them for reasons that had nothing to do with their well-being or thriving. 16:45 It was a kind of punishment imposed from afar. That's how they experience it because that's what it is. 16:51 And they're resentful about that. That doesn't make them racist. Most of them aren't racist. Whatever that means. By the way, the people throwing around the term racist never define it. 16:59 But they're not bad people. They're not evil. They don't hate others because of their skin color. They just don't want their neighborhood to change overnight and become a foreign experience. Who would want that? 17:09 And by the way, the people making these decisions never impose these decisions on their own neighborhoods because And if you don't believe it, drive through their neighborhoods. Look up the 15 richest zip codes in the United States. And they're also the most stable zip codes because they are not subjected to mass migration. So that kind of tells you the whole story right there. 17:32 Martha's Vineyard looks a lot like it did 50 years ago. So does Nantucket. So does Brookline, Massachusetts. So does Aspen. If it's so great, then why don't they have 10,000 Haitians living in Martha's Vineyard? 17:45 Because it's not great, that's why. It's not an attack on the Haitians. 17:49 It's the nature of mass migration, taking people from a completely different culture with no education, limited skills, and no money, and dropping them into what was formerly a pretty prosperous, stable community. 18:04 Who benefits? 18:06 Not the formerly prosperous community. If you think that's racist, then go away, because that's absurd. It's not, it's real. 18:13 And Trump made that point. He was brave enough to do that and God bless him for doing it. So because he said that and many things like that, normal people who don't just dismiss all challenges to their worldview as racism or antisemitism, but try to critically assess what others are saying, those people said to themselves, you know, he's onto something here. Like, what are we doing to Springfield, Ohio? 18:39 Why aren't we doing that to Bethesda, Maryland? 18:43 Well, we're not doing it to Bethesda, Maryland because Bethesda, Maryland is rich and members of Congress live there. That's why. 18:48 In Springfield, Ohio, where is that? Who cares? That's like post-industrial hell. We can do whatever we want to them. And if we want to construct artificially a new voting base in the middle of Ohio, if we want to change it from red to blue or whatever our plan is, we just want to weaken America and divide it so it can't oppose us collectively, which may be part of the plan. But whatever our aim is, we can do it in Springfield, Ohio because who's going to stop us? 19:12 They don't have a lobby in D.C. Mary Madelson doesn't care what happens in Springfield, Ohio. 19:18 So that's what happened. And everybody knows that. And let's stop lying about it. And Trump was one of the only people not to lie about it. And of course, he expressed it in artfully, kind of retarded way, but it doesn't make it less true. 19:30 So it was on the basis of that and his opposition to foreign wars that got him elected in 2024. 19:39 So what happened then? 19:42 Well, a lot happened then. 19:45 On the other hand, not much happened then. 19:48 As you're about to learn, as we talk to the recently departed head of Border Patrol, Greg Bovino, who spent 30 years in the Border Patrol and was hired early on to get our immigration system under control. 20:04 One of the things that happened is that there was turnover in who ran our immigration system. Now, it's mostly run from Washington, of course, and ICE and the Border Patrol are the two main instruments. 20:23 Take a look at the new head of the entire immigration enforcement system. 20:29 This is a former senator from Oklahoma called Mark Wayne Mullen, and he's taken over in the last year. This is the guy Trump hired to deport over 100 million illegals. Watch this. 20:45 We have naturalization ceremonies every single day in the United States that federal government's open. 20:55 We have hundreds of thousands of people. In fact, we're real close to 900,000 individuals that have been naturalized in the last 12 months. 21:05 There's a legal system to go through. 21:08 Wait a second. 21:10 This is the guy who runs Department of Homeland Security. 21:14 Mark Wayne Mullen, who was hired by Trump to deport all these illegals who came into the country over the last 20 years, but particularly over the four years under Joe Biden. 21:24 50 million, they told us. And here he is this month, that was August 4th of this month, sitting before the National Governors Association bragging about how many of these people have become citizens, almost a million, 900,000. What? What? 21:40 Was that the promise? Did Trump run less than two years ago on the promise to give citizenship to people who came here illegally? Wasn't it the opposite of that? 21:50 And if it was the opposite of that, why did he hire one of the most liberal Republicans in the Senate, one of the most pro-illegal immigration Republicans in the entire Senate, and that's saying a lot, Mark Wayne Mullen, to run deportation? 22:04 This is starting to feel like a betrayal. 22:07 Oh, but it gets worse. 22:09 Here's what Mark Wayne Mullen went on to say to the governors on August 4th of this year. 22:15 What I'm saying is, let me work with you on this stuff. 22:19 I'm not handling things like maybe the past secretary had. I'm just saying, let's work to get the worst of the worst off the streets, and then you won't see me in your cities and states like you do as much, because my presence won't be as big. In fact, you probably won't even see us at all. 22:37 Oh, we're going to stop enforcing immigration law. We're going to go after the worst of the worst, the criminals, who, by the way, presumably could be rounded up by local or state law enforcement. Isn't that their job? This is the head of federal immigration enforcement. 22:55 the guy whose job was literally paid to enforce immigration law, laws that were passed by the Congress. These aren't regulations that came out of the agencies. These are laws passed by the democratic process. In other words, you vote for someone so he can make a law that reflects your views and your values. That's what democracy is. And he does. And then this guy is hired to make sure those laws are enforced. And here he is telling the 50 governors that actually I'm not going to enforce those laws. 23:25 Now, if he worked for Joe Biden, this would be a scandal. It would be on every Fox News show all day long. Here's the head of the Department of Homeland Security saying he's not going to enforce immigration law. Oh, my gosh, they're open borders people, which they were. 23:38 This is Trump's guy, Mark Wayne Mullen, making the same claim. 23:45 And so the point is really simple. 23:48 The true betrayal of the second Trump term may not be foreign policy. 23:55 That's the most damaging thing Trump or any American president has ever done, beginning a fruitless war with Iran and thereby destroying our empire and probably our dollar. 24:07 But in terms of a political betrayal, what Trump has not done in immigration is more profound. 24:14 Because you probably won't find a single Trump voter who disagreed with Trump's views on immigration. And once again, this is why Trump was able to move from the private sector as a branding guy to the White House as an American president was on the basis of his promises on immigration. So for him to betray those promises... 24:36 is profound. And it's understandable that most people who voted for him can't metabolize this, don't want to deal with it, want to believe we've sealed the border and everything's fine. 24:45 But at a certain point, it's important to know exactly where we are. 24:50 Not just speculate about it or cite some study from Yale on what's the state of illegal immigration in the United States, but talk to the guy who ran it, Greg Bovino, who ran Border Patrol, who has the actual numbers. on this question. How many illegal aliens are in the United States? These are people who are foreign nationals, who are living here illegally, who have broken the law to get here and are breaking the law in every single case every single day by using fake documents to work and collect benefits and send their kids to public school and to use the emergency room at public expense, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. 25:27 And these are not minor laws. These are core laws that if you broke, you would be punished for breaking. 25:34 So how many of those are there? How many were in this country the day Trump was inaugurated, January 20th, 2025, and how many are here now? What are the real numbers? 25:46 No one has pointed this out. 25:51 Democrats have no incentive to point it out, of course. 25:54 ICE shot a couple of protesters last year. And so the emphasis has been on that. They're murderous thugs. OK, we can debate that. Obviously, shooting unarmed people is bad. Never defend it. 26:06 But that's not the whole story. The whole story is that immigration enforcement in the United States has stopped, has stopped. 26:17 And this fact, which is a central fact, which will define what our country is like going forward, or even if it exists as a coherent country, is being completely ignored. Home ownership has always been at the center of the American dream. 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Of course. State of illegal immigration, one word comes to mind, that's catastrophe. Right now in the United States, I've got the number of 107 million illegal aliens currently residing with impunity, I might add, in the United States today. 107 million? 107 million, one quarter. of the population we've got 330 000 approximately american citizens add another 107 million onto that i think you can look around in any state any region or any city in the united states if you're just a regular american citizen and say well you know what there's an awful lot of illegal aliens and foreigners in our country 29:05 Yeah, I mean, it's a completely different country because it's got a completely different population, and you're discouraged from saying that for some reason. People are bullied into silence on the question, but I mean, it's not the same country. It's not even close. 29:18 And better in some ways, worse in a lot of ways, but it's totally different. 29:23 And I assume that was mostly because of legal immigration, but 107 million illegal? 29:29 Illegal, the ones that came right across that border, not only over the past few years under the Biden administration, but look at what's happened over the past 40 years. Why are we fighting a war with Iran? 29:41 Sorry, well, it makes me mad. Why are we using our $1.5 trillion military to fight a war across the world when we have 107 million illegal aliens in our country? 29:51 We've said it many times in the Border Patrol, the war is on American soil. the war the effort that true effort is on american soil so i agree with you on that 100 tucker is the wars on american soil and it's not a war to simply deport those 107 million illegal aliens this is survival of the species ladies and gentlemen we are at that precipice of are we going to remain the united states the country of our values traditions and beliefs or are we going to devolve into something completely different if we don't do something quick and fight that war here on american soil we're there but i mean that was the whole point of getting trump elected twice was to stop illegal immigration build a wall 30:38 which he didn't do. And then, okay, we'll give him another chance. 2024, hire Greg Bovino to run, border patrol, Tom Homan, tough on immigration or whatever, like Stephen Miller, he means it. 30:51 And the one thing you knew about Trump was we were gonna deport people who are here illegally because they have no right to be here. They're breaking the law. I go to jail if I break the law, but if you're from a foreign country, you get subsidies to come here if you break the law. Like it doesn't make any sense, but that hasn't happened. 31:07 Has it? It happened for that very short period of time in the interior when the Border Patrol and the US Border Patrol was in the interior. And then with the surrender in Minnesota, it stopped the 77 million voters. 31:21 that voted for mass deportations, I guess they didn't matter anymore. 31:27 But it does matter. It matters to you. It matters to me. It matters to the 77 million people. It matters to those 22,000 Border Patrol agents who put their life on the line in those cities to have that rug jerked out from under them by those homens and those Commissioner Rodney Scotts. 31:45 Okay, so now without getting, you know, the federal government is its own field of study, okay? You could get a PhD in it and still not understand it. It's the largest human organization in history. It spends $7 trillion a year. So like, it's hard to understand what it is. But in terms that non-experts can understand, what is the difference between the Border Patrol and ICE? 32:08 A vast difference. 32:09 The U.S. Border Patrol. 32:12 is the uniformed branch of Department of Homeland Security, CBP and the U.S. border. They wear uniforms. They wear a uniform just like a police officer you might see in a city. They wear uniforms. They are the immigration police, the uniforms, immigration police. Then we've got ICE. Border Patrol. They've been around forever, right? Been here 102 years. 32:34 And they've had that interior border mission. For all 102 years, it was the U.S. Border Patrol, the Marine Corps, federal law enforcement, that expeditionary force that would go into the United States over those 102 years. And there are many examples of that to deport up to millions of illegal aliens. It's always been their mission. And right now, that uniformed immigration force is standing shoulder to shoulder on the border, staring south, twiddling their thumbs. Largest Border Patrol in history. 33:06 Now taken off the table, the most highly trained immigration police that you have. 33:12 taken right out of the game. Why would you take your pro squad or your varsity squad out of the game? 33:17 I'm totally confused. So, okay. So there are two parts of this question. There's the border, you know, the line between the United States and Mexico and Canada. 33:28 And then there's the question of illegal, the 107 illegal aliens living in the country. 33:34 So you often hear people say, well, we sealed the borders. So Trump succeeded. Yeah. 33:39 I don't think that's correct. I don't think that's what success is, but have the borders been sealed? 33:46 The borders are under control more than they ever have been in my lifetime. 33:51 However, when you don't have that interior immigration enforcement, that mass deportation, what does that do to your border? What does that do to the cartels and the transnational criminal organizations that are going to push people across that border? No defense in history has ever been 100%. None will ever be 100%. What does that do? Well, you know, if I make it past those border patrol agents who are standing on the line facing south, I got a freebie. Tucker, I got a freebie. I got a freebie because if I get into the interior, there are no mass deportations occurring. 34:23 There is the worst of the worst and the targeted criminal enforcement that sounds so great. 34:29 what illegal alien crossing the border is going to say, well, gosh, I'm the worst of the worst. I better not cross. None of them think that. So what that does to your border is that makes your border less secure. And you will see that over a period of time that they are going to try and come across that border and they will, they'll succeed because all they have to do is make it into the interior. And once they make it into the interior, they're up against ICE. You ask what the difference between ICE and Border Patrol? ICE, fantastic. There's some patriots there. 35:01 I love the ICE agents. I worked with them for that year. 35:04 Tough individuals. They got a tough mission, but... 35:07 Remember, that is your non-uniformed immigration officers, the ones that go into jails and arrest known criminals, long-term investigations. They're your plainclothes detectives. 35:20 Tucker, would you send New York City police detectives into the most violent situation that New York has ever faced and said, well, you know, you're going to go tackle violent street crime now. And our uniformed police officers are going to stand by and do something else. No. 35:35 Absolutely not. 35:36 But that's what's happening right now. 35:37 So when did Border Patrol stop policing the interior of the country for illegal immigration? 35:43 Well, most recently it was our surrender in Minnesota. But before that, you have to remember the U.S. Border Patrol had interior Border Patrol stations. Yes. Places like Little Rock, Arkansas, Oklahoma City, Las Vegas, Amarillo, Texas, Dallas, Texas, all over the interior. It was because they were that interior... 36:04 immigration force when needed to go in and pacify a region, an area or a city so that then those plainclothes detectives who do a great job could then take a pacified area and keep it pacified. That's what this that's the way that whole thing has worked for 102 years. That's been upended. That doesn't happen now. Why is that? 36:26 Well, you tell me. 36:27 Why is that? When did that stop? 36:30 Minnesota. I call it the Great Surrender. The Great Surrender in Minnesota when Commissioner Rodney Scott and Tom Holman decided to come in. And who are they? That's Customs and Border Patrol Commissioner Rodney Scott. And what's his background? Border Patrol. Career Border Patrol. Okay. Career Border. Should know. Should know what the Border Patrol is to be used for. And Tom Homan is who? He's our Border Czar. 36:56 A prior ICE official spent his whole year with ICE. I believe he was a Border Patrol agent for about a year and then jumped on over to the Plainclothes Division there. So you've got those two individuals. that remember they were silent completely silent for that year when those border patrol agents were battling it out in a two-front war in those cities a two-front war what's the two-front war battling the bad people and bad things the cartels and the illegal aliens and the criminals and then battling the pritzers the newsom's the mayor basses and the politicians and Where were they during that year? 37:35 But then Minnesota, all of a sudden they show up and say, hey, we're here to save the day in Minnesota. What was saving the day? 37:43 Surrendering interior enforcement. They surrendered. That was saving the day. So your interior enforcement stopped. 37:50 the day the border patrol was sent out of Minnesota. And that was a decision that the president made. 37:56 And I, you know, I can't say that was his decision because he didn't, the president didn't consult with me on that. I understood that it was his. 38:04 Well, he announced it anyway. 38:06 Well, he announced they were coming to Minnesota. Yeah. You know, I think it's the president's team that has that conspiracy, not To to conduct interior enforcement. It's that team. I think he gets some bad information. He's got some hellacious gatekeepers. I don't give him much credit for doing anything immigration related because they're doing nothing. 38:29 But talking about a gatekeeper, in other words, someone that can control that information flow. To the big man, they do one hell of a job. 38:37 They're doing nothing, really, for immigration enforcement inside the United States. 38:42 No, it's some target enforcement. You hear an operation here, an operation there. There was one in Maryland. I think they had 1,200 arrests last week, something like that. What that is is that we're going to do an operation, spread that, splash that across the headlines, And gaslight America into thinking that's what we do every single day all across the United States when nothing could be further from the truth. Walk out on the street and look. Walk out on the street. Walk to a Home Depot. And take a look at what's in the parking lot at Home Depot. 39:15 Does it look like there's mass deportations and interior enforcement occurring? Absolutely not, because let me tell you, the illegal aliens sure aren't scared right now. 39:24 Not at all. 39:25 So the phrase dad bod is obviously a grave slur. It's a kind of gender racism, but it is kind of real because staying in shape grows harder as you get older. You work out, you eat. but you just don't get the same results. And that's where Mars Men comes in. Mars Men is a natural supplement crafted to support healthy testosterone levels. 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So this has got to be the greatest portrayal in American political history because the whole Trump campaign of 2016 and 2024 were about immigration and about reducing the number of illegal aliens in the country like that that was the whole campaign so how many just let's just bottom line it if we can't i mean again to to the extent that we can know these numbers how many illegal aliens residing in the united states the day trump was sworn in would you say 41:12 For the second term, I would say the 107 million then. And how many now would you say there are in the country? 105 million because Kristi Noem and the U.S. Border Patrol did cause those self-deportations to occur during that year. Lines at the airport going south like you wouldn't believe. That's not happening now. 41:32 So you think there are about one and a half million self-deportations? Approximately, yes. How many deportations by force? 41:41 Five to 600,000, maybe. Maybe, okay. So you think that after all of that and all the drama that ensued, that there are still 105 million illegal aliens in the United States right now? 41:55 Absolutely, absolutely, you bet. 105 solid, could be more than that even, Ducker. Does anyone else know this? 42:02 You know, because if you've got a population of 330, 340 million aliens, and 105 million illegal aliens I mean, that's like the craziest number I've ever heard. You really think that's the real number? Absolutely. And you know, I guess you would know, right? 42:18 Because you ran Border Patrol. Yeah. And one, seeing what's coming across the border and then juxtaposing that with what we saw in the cities and regions we were in. And then even taking a look at some of the numbers, something as simple as a traffic pattern. Charlotte, North Carolina's got a fantastic example. Take a look at commuters going to work. commuters going to work in Charlotte. When we arrived for that five-day operation, Operation Charlotte's Web, the commute went from terrible to exceptional. So we started doing some studies. 42:49 I had the staff, hey, do a study on the traffic. Let's extrapolate some numbers. What does it take to have an exceptional commute to work? To do that, you need to remove about 30, approximately 30, 35% of the commuters. 43:05 And they took a look at the number of commuters going, I think it was, yeah, I want to say around 200,000. I can't remember the exact number now, but 30%. What does that 30% equal? It starts equaling that 107 million, which is, you know, a similar percentage of the American population. What is that? You know, 25% of the American population. So we looked at the commuters. Then we looked at absentee rates from Charlotte and Mecklenburg schools. 43:34 30% of students didn't show up in Charlotte Mecklenburg. What does that start looking like? It starts looking like the 107 million is a pretty accurate figure. We saw the same thing in Chicago, the same thing in Los Angeles. Los Angeles, that commute went from terrible to better than exceptional. How many commuters did we take out of the equation in Los Angeles to make that drive in America's worst commute? 44:02 worst traffic traffic getting to make it really good and they're like wow these commutes are really good think about what that took so so we have a crowded poor country which we do because of illegal immigration is what you're saying um yes i am saying that 100 i think that a majority of our problems are downstream of immigration whether it's something as simple as a commute to work but something more insidious and more important, such as affordability for housing for our young people. 44:33 107 million people in our country, what does that do to housing? What does that do to welfare, jails, schools, hospitals? 44:39 What does that do to any service that an American citizen should think they have access to? It occludes it. It occludes it to the point where they don't have it. Take a look at our natural resources. I'm a big natural resource guy. I'm a conservationist. I am too. 44:56 Look at what's happening to our natural resources. We had Teddy Roosevelt and Gifford Pinchot, and they started that conservation movement along with Americans. 45:05 That conservation movement is over 100 years old now. It's been destroyed in many areas of the country in 10 years. 100 years of conservation destroyed in 10 years. Entire ecosystems wiped out by illegal aliens. Look at the ginseng harvest in our eastern forests. Many of those poor mountain families from where I'm from there in the Appalachian Mountains harvested ginseng for hundreds of years since Daniel Boone all the way to the mid-1990s. They can't do that anymore. Why? 45:35 It's been stripped. That ginseng has been stripped from those mountains by illegal aliens. Hey, you know what? Let's drop off 15 illegal aliens. We'll scour the entire mountainside, take every single bit of it in a non-sustainable harvest. and take it off but that's everything i'm getting too upset that's not just ginseng that's everything so i did a research paper on that back in 2012 they wouldn't let me publish it in the border patrol it was destruction of our nation's natural resources by illegal aliens wouldn't let me publish it publish it why they said it was too controversial it told the truth so it was too controversial for a border patrol agent to note that illegal immigration was destroying our natural resources imagine that yes I tried several times actually. 46:21 It's just national suicide, that's obviously what it says. 46:23 Yeah, you bet. So every facet of our natural resources are under attack. You know, look, we're having water problems out west. 46:32 We're running out of water. We're running out of water. They're telling us we may have rolling blackouts because we don't have enough electricity. Everything is downstream of immigration. No pun intended, but the water problem out west, we can fix that. Oh, in about two years. Deport 107 million of those illegal aliens taking your and my water and my resources. Problem solved. We're Sierra Club. Hey, where's all the environmental groups? They don't seem to really care now all of a sudden. You know, I guess that's OK. You know, if it's illegal aliens, you're not you know, not a problem. 47:05 If Tucker Carlson or Greg Bovina drops a little bit of oil, you know, out of your car on the pavement, my God, hell's to pay. It's called the the DSP, the double standard phenomenon. which is also rife in america the double standard front on illegal aliens get a they get a pass you don't because you're one of those dastardly american citizens who is apparently uh the devil to the world but an illegal alien that actually uses those resources and hurts your culture your species that's okay see it every day and i think you do too 47:42 I couldn't agree more, and it's one of the reasons that I campaigned for Trump, that and no new foreign wars. Eating right's pretty important, but it's hard if you live here. About half of the American diet is ultra-processed foods, and that hurts you. 47:56 Fake food harms your body, your mind, and especially your liver. So people think that feeling sluggish and foggy and bloated is just what it is to be older, but that's not true. 48:07 Eating crap makes you feel that way. Well, our friends at Dose have a solution. It's called Dose for Your Liver. 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And I think if you were to poll Trump voters and ask, and I think a lot of them would say I'm disappointed by this or that, but the one upside is immigration enforcement. I think if you told them that there are 105 million illegal aliens, not green card holders, illegal aliens have no right to be here, living here in violation of the law and living in almost all cases, on public support, I mean, whether it's schools, roads, hospitals, or direct support from the states, I think they wouldn't even believe you. 49:40 I think Trump voters really think that the administration's done a great job on immigration because Fox News has told them that. 49:46 You know, the gaslighting, masterclass. 49:49 Really? Masterclass gaslighters. 49:50 Can you give me an example? 49:52 Well, again, the operations that they conduct. Hey, you know what? 49:57 Largest amount of illegal aliens or largest amount of aliens deported, you know, in the past 50 years just took place last week. Hey, what are the numbers? I can't seem to get the numbers. Your social media influencers can't seem to get the numbers, but they're sure touting the numbers out there. 50:14 And what are the numbers? I haven't seen the numbers. If this is really happening, then how is it that 250 Border Patrol agents on those interior operations pretty much shut down large sections of the country where we didn't see an illegal alien? They weren't going to hospitals, jails, schools, or anything else because they were either self-deporting or buttoning up. That's not happening now. So if what you say is really taking place, you would see the effects. Every American citizen would see the effects like they saw it over that past year during Operation Large, Operation Midway Blitz, Charlotte's Web, Operation Catahoula Crunch, and then the surrender in Minnesota. 50:55 You would see that. You would see it with your own eyes. You know, it's not some ethereal concept. You can see that kind of thing with your own eyes. And American citizens that come up to us on the streets, came up to us on the streets, and come up to me on the streets now, they say, gosh, it sure was a different story when you guys were out, when the Mean Green Team was out there on the streets taking it to them. 51:17 Wow, everything was different. We finally had hope. 51:20 You're not getting that now from people that are actually up against illegal immigration, most especially, and this is key here, our young people, those young conservatives, wow. Now there are a bunch of individuals that are seeing this. I get more, comments, and more rhetoric from them than anybody I have ever seen. They are not happy. Their future, they understand, is being taken away. 51:51 It has been taken away. And you know, Tucker, something very powerful here. One of those young conservatives came up to me and said, You know, we've only heard stories of America. We've only heard the story of America. I'm like, what do you mean? The story of America? We are America. There's no story. He goes, we don't know what America is. People like you tell us what America, people like Tucker say, this is what America used to be like. We've only heard the story of America. That was the most powerful thing I've ever heard. 52:22 being a Border Patrol agent, is this young person that doesn't even know what real America is because it's been taken from them, a lot of it through illegal immigration. And, you know, they better wake up. Some of these people that have betrayed us, Some of those gatekeepers that I just talked to better wake up because there's a lot of pissed off people out there, especially the young. They did a big part in ensuring that there was somebody in office that would take care of immigration. Very unhappy campers right now. And I don't blame them a bit. They should be unhappy. 52:54 And they are sharpening spears, dancing around the campfire right now. 52:59 They have every reason to. 53:01 One measure of border security is the presence of narcotics that are manufactured outside the country. And cocaine is one that, cocaine's a pretty good measure because we don't grow coca here. So all cocaine, at least the base, cocaine base, comes from outside the country, comes from the Andes. 53:18 So in 1985, the average cost of a gram of highly impure cocaine, majority baby laxative cocaine, was $100 a gram. 53:27 And you had to drive to some sketchy area and roll down your window and buy it and risk your life. The price now in many American cities, particularly in Texas, is $50 a gram for almost totally pure cocaine that you can have delivered to your house within like 10 minutes, no risk. 53:42 So that tells me... 53:44 that we don't have secure borders. If the price of cocaine, and that's not adjusted for inflation, those are just the straight numbers, $100 in 1985, $50 now, so that's like, I don't even know what the inflation adjustment would be, but that's like $5 a gram, you know, in 1985 dollars. 54:03 clearly we're not keeping drugs out, right? 54:06 Exactly, exactly. And that's where those mass deportations are so very important. That 107, 105 million is so very important. We saw that in those cities. Look at the double digit drops in crime in those cities when those cocaine traffickers, when those human traffickers, whatever traffickers couldn't traffic anymore, double digit drops in crime. 54:29 We're not taking away the people that use it. A lot of those are American citizens dumb enough to do that kind of thing, but we're just gonna remove everyone that traffics it, that knows it's being trafficked, that has anything to do with it being trafficked, we're just gonna do away with them. 54:45 I think he did start out really good. He was blowing some drug boats up, the fentanyl. Fentanyl kills a lot of people, that's terrible stuff, just like cocaine and anything else. Hey, that was good. That was taking place simultaneously with us in those cities, taking it to the illegal aliens. Hey, that gave me hope. I was like, well, they're actually bombing boats in the water. Well, if you're going to take away Border Patrol from the interior, are you really going to be that serious? Are you going to bomb a boat and do what Rodney Scott and Tom Holman do? Do it one time, splash it across the headlines and say, yeah, we're really taking it to them when you did one time. 55:19 So I'm a little bit confused. 55:20 So Holman, who I've interviewed several times, says he's very against illegal immigration and has a pistol and an ankle holster and kind of seems like a rough and ready, no BS kind of guy who's dedicated his life to fighting illegal immigration. You worked with him. Tell us, is that an accurate picture? 55:44 You know, I'll tell you, when you're going to lead, an effort to do something like that, inevitably, and it's a must do, you better have your ass out there on the front lines with your people bleeding next to them, especially in the most violent domestic law enforcement mission that's faced the US in its history the most, and I'm even including prohibition in this one now, Um, where were these individuals during that year of pure unadulterated violence? 56:22 I didn't see him. 56:24 Where was commissioner Rodney Scott missing an action? Where was, where was Tom Holman? Nice guy. 56:30 Fun guy to talk to. Probably a great guy to have a whiskey with. Where was he? 56:35 Ankle holster and all. 56:37 Um, where were they? 56:39 You better get your butt out there with your people bleed and be ready to make that ultimate sacrifice next to them. You're not too good. You're not too good to do that. None of you are. You better get out there and do that. So I would pose that question back to you as my answer is, well, where were they? I never saw them. Not once. Never even heard from them. Never had a conversation. Nothing. 57:01 Silence. 57:02 But they're not silent now. 57:05 Still not out there, but not silent. More of a we're going to take a soft approach. I guess maybe that's what does that mean, a soft approach? 57:15 A soft approach means we're not going to be out there doing this general immigration raids. We're not going to conduct total spectrum immigration enforcement, which is what you have to do if you're going to win this battle. Total spectrum immigration. That means everything brought to bear. 57:31 against that enemy. In other words, we're talking about the war being fought on American soil. It's going to take an effort like that, a total warfare. What they're talking about is a limited form of enforcement, sort of like World War II versus Vietnam. What do we do in Vietnam? Well, you know, we're going to do some precision limited strikes here, and we're not going to go total warfare, and we're going to lose Whereas World War II, total spectrum warfare, whatever it takes, we do. So that's what the soft approach is, is we're going to do a precision strike. 58:04 Hey, a precision strike. Tucker's never won a war, by the way. It won't. 58:10 Let's do a precision strike there in Maryland. They did that last week. Make us some good apprehensions. Those ICE agents are the greatest. Love them. They're like border patrol agents, patriots. But that'll never win 105 million illegal aliens. You have to do something else. You're not going to put handcuffs on 105 million people. We've only got two years left to do that, by the way. 58:32 You need to encourage and mandate those self-deportations. 58:38 and those large-scale efforts that it's going to take, it won't be neat, clean, and easy. 58:43 Of course it's not. 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Get the new Frontier Collection now at outpouch.com slash Tucker. 59:25 Why not just enforce... 59:28 ID laws, like we have AI, so how does anybody have a fake social security card or a fake driver's license, and yet millions, tens of millions of people do, I don't think I could get away with that. 59:40 How were they allowed to get away with that? DSP, double standard phenomenon. It is alive and well in this country. 59:48 It's one of those unenforced walls. 59:50 But if you had a fake social security card and tried to open a bank account, I think you'd risk jail for that, right? 59:59 Absolutely. Absolutely. You bet. But who's going to go after an illegal alien for that when? I don't know. 60:05 The Trump administration wasn't just elected to do this. Didn't he get the majority of the popular vote to do this? Yes, absolutely. That's not violent. You're not shooting anybody. It's like you can't use fake federal documents. I'm not allowed to use fake federal. No, I'm serious. Like, why is that? How can you get on an airplane? If you're here illegally, I mean, the facial recognition at the freaking airport, like we're all totally monitored at all times. So if you've got 105 illegal aliens in your country, someone wants them there, someone in power like Donald Trump or whomever is making these decisions. Like, what is this? 60:36 Yes. 60:36 What is this? It's a farce. It is a farce. It's a farce. It's a slap in the face. 60:42 And, you know, it's but we can still win it. Here's the thing, though. We can still win this. 60:49 Well, you've got two years because the second I mean, Democrats are about to take power in two months. And at that point. 60:56 The chances that, and you think Republicans gonna win in 2028, I mean, after this war in Iran, no. So you're gonna, they're all gonna be legalized. That's it. And then you're just, it's a totally different country forever. 61:06 Done. If that happens, done. Every American- But how is that not gonna happen? Well, we can still do it. We can still do it. Look, we've proof concepted how to do this. 61:20 In the interior, when the U.S. Border Patrol leading efforts, the proof concepts there, it's just on a much larger scale. It's also bringing Ma and Pa America into the fight, bringing the taxpayer into the fight. Remember, that was something in our strategy that was well in motion. You've got to bring them into the fight. Everyday citizens, like a victory guard in World War II, we're going to do our part. 61:45 But they think they've already won. 61:47 They've been told by the administration and Fox News that, you know, that this is the upside of Trump. All the downsides is the upside. You got what you want on immigration. 61:56 Yeah, well, I'm here to say sorely mistaken and absolutely not. You've got you've got you scratch the surface, but look around you. 62:08 look around and see what that's like out on the streets. Look at what, look at what our African Americans are facing in those cities. I get so many calls for, from conservative black saying, you did the, please come back to Chicago or LA or wherever, because that was the only first and only time that our community is really truly had any assistance from anybody. 62:34 No one in charge cares about black people. Their schools have been destroyed. The murder rate's out of control. They're being replaced by illegal aliens and literally nobody cares. Nobody cares. And their families have been here for 350 years and nobody cares. 62:47 Nobody gives a damn. Nobody gives a damn about that. But you know what? I'll tell you, Pritzer, Governor Pritzer there, In Illinois, he had he once we started in fourth ward and some of those wards and the black folks came out and were supporting us. You could tell they were getting a little edgy. They were like, oh, hey, they're on to something, you know, and what a great what a great story. 63:10 for a homin or a rodney scott and if they're going to sit back in a safe seat in dc to talk about silence silence your own citizens coming out in force to support the u.s border patrol of all people of all people and what a story what a miss what a miss by that bunch of gate guards unbelievable who are who are the gate guards Two of them there I've mentioned. Yeah, fantastic ones there. They're fantastic. 63:40 At guarding the gate. At guarding the gate. Guarding that information. To the president. You bet. I think if Trump knew what you and I were talking about, I think if you or I could sit across from him and say, hey, here's the real deal that you haven't been getting, I think he might, you know what? 63:57 I think he would actually reverse course because, and the reason I say this is look at what we did that first year. 64:04 Once we started, hey, we got calls from Trump. He called the Border Patrol. He called us. Man, you guys are doing great. Kick their ass. We've got your back. Kick butt. We're going to take this thing. He said that. 64:17 Gate guards come in, you know, so I think Caesar was probably up against that. 64:22 There are many thousands of years ago. Same thing. You can see the the jackals and the Hainas. They always come in, nip at the nip at the the tendons. And I think that's what happened. I think that. If he was to hear what was really going on here, what Americans are thinking and saying, hearing these young people out there and then hearing some of the conspiracies that have actually taken place under his watch by those individuals, he'd be like, wow, wait a second. 64:50 Like what? 64:51 Well, you know, surrender in Minnesota, you know, people say, Bovina, you retired. 64:58 I did. 64:59 I retired. That neat, clean, and easy. I was just a little tired and decided to retire. Hey, Tucker, I got some gas in the tank. There's a retirement there. If they want you gone, if those gate guards want you gone, better watch out. They'll come for you. 65:13 They will come for you and come for your retirement. They'll come for everything. 65:17 And, um, did that happen to you? Absolutely. Every bit of the way, every bit of the way, you know, when you play a hard game, you can expect hard treatments. I get that, but not a two front war. Hard treatment should be me and the criminals, not the two front war with me and the folks that are supposedly your friends. You know, the minute I get, the minute I, the minute I left, Security detail gets pulled. I'm the one of the highest, if not the highest threats in DHS, death threats. I mean, you name it, man, they're coming. 65:49 Hey, take that guy's security detail. We're going to shut that guy up. 65:53 Stroke of midnight came. Those border patrol agents refused to leave my house. 65:59 And I had to direct order. Hey, no, you're leaving because I'm not in the border patrol anymore. And you know what? I knew this. I didn't say that to them. They'll come for you also. 66:11 They'll come for you also. 66:13 The administration? Yeah, absolutely. Yes. 66:16 You bet. 66:17 But Anthony Fauci still has federal security. We're paying Anthony Fauci's security detail. He doesn't work for the government anymore. He spent the whole life on the federal teat, and he still has Secret Service protection. Anthony Fauci... 66:35 who committed crimes, but you don't because the administration didn't want you to have security? Why? 66:41 I think to silence me because- Silence you like get you killed? Because that's what it sounds like. Do I think they want me dead at this point? Yes. I'm in a running battle. 66:50 Every time I go out, I mean, every time the citizens of my own community are like, what is going on with you? These people come up. There's some crazies out there. You know, you know this, Tucker. And you bet. Do I think they want me killed? Absolutely. You know, the administration? Yeah, absolutely. Or more of the gate guards. I don't think Trump would. I think if Trump knew what they had done and what they would do to Border Patrol agents or ICE officers or anyone that disagrees with them, I think he would have an absolute... panic attack or a heart attack over something but you think homan wants you gone dead i think rodney scott he's the one that took my security detail away with with homan there yeah absolutely you bet why uh you know that's a pretty heavy thing to say and if i wasn't from washington i probably wouldn't believe you but i do believe you since i am sure well you know i wouldn't have believed it either but um with what was coming at me The minute I retired, I thought, well, yeah, I'll probably get some security there. 67:47 You know, they're coming after other family members as well. Your family members. Absolutely. Through the mail, there was one point where the FBI had to intercept every single piece of mail because there were some bad things coming in the mail, that kind of thing. And just the vast amount of death threats. I got doxed yesterday by WBTV Channel 3 in Charlotte, North Carolina. 68:11 In what way? 68:13 Trying to name home addresses. Actually? Oh, yes. Yes. You bet. Now, I've got a different address with my girlfriend out at a different place, but they did do that. And when that happens over and over and over. 68:26 Can you name a channel again? 68:29 WBTV Channel 3. 68:31 Why would it be part of the news gathering process to put your home address on a TV channel? 68:39 You know, I think that that's something that we saw in those cities with an absolute out of control so-called news media. They're not a news media. When they do things like they're not a news media, they're a propaganda arm. 68:56 They're an enforcement arm at that point. 68:58 An intimidation arm. You bet. But the only problem is I'm not I'm not intimidated or I wouldn't be here talking to you. Hey, they tried to take my legal representation away or probably already. Who did? 69:09 That was Homan and the gate guards. Your legal representation? In other words, if you're sued for actions taken in your official capacity at Border Patrol, you don't get legal representation? 69:23 It was supposed to. Absolutely. If it was under the performance of your duties, under the color of law, and you weren't doing something illegal, then absolutely every minute of the day. But apparently others don't see it that way. 69:35 How do you know that? 69:36 You know, I got a call from another Border Patrol chief, a retired chief, who got a call from them saying, hey, if you don't stop, we're taking it away. Stop what? Stop coming on Tucker Carlson and telling the truth. Pointing out that there's still 105 million illegal aliens in the country? You bet. 69:53 Coleman did that? 69:56 His people. Yeah, I can't say he did. His people, yes. 70:00 You bet. 70:02 Again, I've interviewed the guy a number of times. I hope he'll come back. I'd love to ask him about this. Absolutely. Yeah. 70:08 Maybe that would, hell, I'd like to ask him about it. 70:11 Have you talked to him since you left? No. 70:14 So I'd love to put a finer point. I mean, first of all, what you said is shocking. Everything you've said is shocking and really, really distressing and dark. If you think Homan and this other guy want you dead, I mean, that's like, that's unbelievable. Proof's in the pudding. 70:29 I think that's fair. 70:31 But why? I'd love to know a little more precisely why they're so mad at you. 70:37 I think when we have big labor or I'm sorry, cheap labor politicians who are a very powerful force. I didn't realize they were this power, very powerful force. 70:48 That puts a lot of pressure. 70:51 On some individuals and some individuals may maybe they want the lucrative contracts also. I don't know. I can't say that for sure. But there's something there behind the scenes that causes that to happen. It doesn't just happen just for the hell of a let's have Bovino dead. 71:05 But not because voters want it. Voters wanted to get back to the sort of pre lunatic American population. 71:13 Yeah. 71:13 They don't want to live in a crowded, poor country. Who wants that? Nobody wants to live in Bangladesh. So like, this is nuts. And that's what voters wanted. That's why they elected Trump. That and no new foreign wars. And then the donors convinced Trump to fight a foreign war that voters did not want. And it sounds like don't donors also pushed Trump to stop immigration enforcement. Yes. You think that's true? I do. 71:35 Absolutely. You bet. 71:37 I mean, look at some of the politicians that came out against me or Christine Noem, specifically after the surrender in Minnesota, the Kennedys at Louisiana, McCall, Representative McCall out of Texas. Mike McCall? Yes. 71:53 Why would they say those things? What did McCall say? I believe he said that we were out of control and too aggressive, something like that. Do you find it interesting? 72:03 So McCall is a tool of the intel agencies, I happen to know, and I mean that, and I hope he'll come on and explain how I'm wrong, but he knows I'm not wrong, because I've talked to him about it directly. But I have noticed a connection between the people who are like not very loyal to the United States and very into fighting wars on behalf of other nations. They're also very against immigration enforcement. I've noticed that. Have you noticed that? 72:29 I have. And some of the people I and I've noticed that over my career, some people that I would think, oh, they're going to be good on immigration. The worst. I remember when Bush was elected, we were rejoicing in the patrol. We thought, oh, man, this is going to be great. He was just as bad as Bill R. Clinton. Or worse. Of course. Worse, again, the two-front war. Stabbing you in the back while you're out fighting bad guys. Same thing now, except worse. Even worse than Bush. 72:52 But Bush was very much like this administration, you know, spent all of its time, all of our money, all of their energy fighting a war in the Middle East, and then they're for... 73:04 changing the american population with illegal immigration at the same time it's so weird i don't understand the connection all of it is bad for america maybe that's the connection um tucker this is in my opinion of course the greatest issue and greatest threat that our nation has faced since its founding of course and i'm including the civil war in that i think the civil war is child's play compared to what we're facing now because this ends it all 105 million illegal aliens Get amnesty and start voting, which it appears that, you know, the Tom Tillis, the McCalls and the rest of that gang want that. 73:44 When they start voting, everything's gone. If you think your Second Amendment gets gone, that Second Amendment's gone. Everything's gone. Everything that you hold dear, your culture, your values, traditions, everything goes. They don't care. You know, Tucker, they don't care about your history, nor the American history, because Robert Heinlein said it the best. He wrote Starship Troopers. 74:05 That which is given has no value. That which is given has no value. When we just gave them citizenship, they will hate you for that. 74:14 They'll abhor you for that. They do abhor us for that. You can already see the entitlement mentality. It's not an entitlement. They just hate Americans because we're stupid enough to do it. 74:25 And when you give someone something like that, they don't care if your granddad died at Iwo Jima. or your great-great-great-granddad at Gettysburg, or maybe you had an ancestor that was a founding father, they could give a damn about that. They don't care. 74:40 When that ceases to be a reality here in our country, and you're in my country, you're done. 74:48 Right now, we're at the precipice of either solving or bowing down to the greatest threat that we have ever faced since the founding. 75:01 I strongly agree with that. 75:04 It seems very obvious, and that's why there's so little national cohesion The upside, however, for the people in charge is an immigrant population is much easier to control. 75:16 They don't believe that the Bill of Rights is real or applies to them. They don't have natural rights. No one's told them what that is. 75:23 So you can kind of do whatever you want to them and call yourself the hero of the story. And you see it with rich people and their housekeepers who all secretly hate them. But they're totally convinced that, you know, Catalina loves me. I'm the hero to her. 75:37 There is a kind of psychology 75:40 the rich white lady psychology around this question is the democratic plantation owners is the new plantation owners. And, um, that's the way they even act like it. These elitists, these French left liberal socialists act like that, uh, like plantation owners. Uh, it's, it's absolutely amazing the way, what they do. And you talk about racist, holy cow, they're the worst. 76:01 Yep. 76:02 Yeah. No, I've seen it so much. 76:08 so how did when christine home left was forced out uh and then replaced by one of the slowest famously one of the slowest but certainly one of the most liberal members of the united states senate mark wayne mullen which he is he's extremely liberal and because he's from oklahoma like nobody seems to get that but he is particularly in immigration and foreign policy. I mean, it's like giving it to Lindsey Graham. How did that? Why would you put Mark Wayne Mullen, a liberal, a Kamala Harris liberal in that role? 76:42 Exactly. I think when we talk about those donors, that donor class, getting someone confirmed, why would you not put a liberal and you're going to get enough votes from the crazy Democrats? 76:55 And then you're going to get the support from the big labor rhinos. 77:00 just like they did with Commissioner Rodney Scott. He sailed through the confirmation. Folks, you know what? He's bringing back Biden-era individuals into CBP right now as we speak. 77:11 the ones that let the 30 million in actually yo you bet yes does the white house know this you know i don't think i again i think the gate guards keep it so guarded i don't think we're steven miller i thought he was this big i don't know hey stevie you bet you got some work to do there buddy got some work to do there stevie but um i'm just confused because wasn't this the issue that defined them yes Yes, it was. 77:35 So that's how someone like a Mark Mullen is put into a position like that. There are a certain class of people that love a Mullen. Hey, you know, Mullen, what is he listening to? He's listening to Tom Holman, Rodney Scott, worst of the worst in targeting. That's really all he can regurgitate. 77:57 And so that, for people who haven't heard that talking point, that means we're going after the really bad ones. 78:03 They're really bad ones. Worst of the criminal aliens, the terrorists, child molesters, you know, folks that are committed murder, whatever. 78:11 The worst of the worst. People have criticized Israel, stuff like that. Really, they're really bad. The ones who deserve the death penalty. 78:19 And I will say that that is the opposite of what we should be doing. That is not a threat to your nation. Let me say this again. A lot of people... think I'm crazy. That's not the threat to your nation is the worst of the worst. The threat to your nation is your run of the mill, illegal alien that we've just said, the 105 million that don't share your cultures, your values, that don't care about anything related to America that have been given, that want to be given citizenship. That's far more of a threat. 78:50 Hey, we can get those criminal aliens anytime. That record's not going away. 78:55 Uh, We can get them anytime, anytime. Right now, we've got that window to get that regular run-of-the-mill illegal alien, maybe a landscaper. Maybe he doesn't have a criminal record in the U.S., even though he's still a criminal because he crossed the border illegally. They're all criminals. 79:11 He probably does have a criminal record in a foreign country that we won't know about. But that is far more of a threat to you, me, and our values than... 79:21 an MS-13 gang member. Well, it's certainly a threat to our justice system because I'm like, why should I obey the law? Why am I going, why do I have a seatbelt alarm in my car? Constantly getting lectured about everything, all the time, from everybody in authority, $18 a pack, cigarettes, just like an unaffordable life. 79:39 And a legal code that you have to hire a lawyer to understand whether you're in compliance and you better know whether you're in compliance because you go to jail or get fined if you're not. 79:49 And then 105 million people get to just like give the finger to the US code and nobody does anything about it. It's like, why am I obeying the law? Like, why? 79:59 Does that make sense? 80:01 Not a lick of sense. 80:03 But what it is, is it's a litmus test. The litmus test took place over this past year with that interior enforcement campaign. Hey, you know what? We don't agree with that law. We don't agree with the immigration laws that are enshrined in the INA, the Immigration and Nationality Act, and those court decisions and the Constitution and everything. We don't agree with that, sir. We're going to riot. 80:25 and we're going to martyr whatever we've got to do because we don't agree with that law. That's a litmus test because if you don't agree with an immigration law and do away with it, do away with the border patrol, surrender, you can do that with anything. 80:38 You can do that with any law. It's not just that. It's just mob rules. Mob, exactly. The most violent group gets to do whatever it wants. It does. You and me will pay the price if we do something right now. You're right. They'll be on us in an instant. 80:52 But the 105 million, not so much. Back to the natural resources. I've interviewed many game wardens throughout the 50 states. And they said, you know, a lot of times we won't even write an illegal alien because one, we don't know who he is. We don't know who this person is. 81:09 Or if we do, he beats us out of court. He walks out of the courtroom before we even do. Nothing happens. I'm not going to waste my time doing that. Now, you or me, we do something. You're done. 81:21 you're done and um oh yeah you're done and try shooting a rough grouse on a sunday in the state of maine yeah as a as a legal resident yes yeah no i know um but gill net 100 fish is an illegal alien the hat that's what they're doing now because they see our natural resources is something for them not something to conserve preserve or conserve gill net gill net they'll just throw a gill net in the water i don't 81:49 you know during this when i was writing this research paper i was abhorred at actually what was happening they'll gill net fish catch 50 of them when you actually gill net fish yes and you or me our limit may be two or three or whatever the limit is i don't kill any fish and i think i might shoot someone for gill netting like that's i mean i that's immoral and i'm i'm not for shooting anybody but i would be tempted to shoot someone for gill netting that is so outrageous it is happens all the time seriously yes Yes. You know, I wish I'd brought my paper. I'll send you a copy of my paper. 82:21 I don't want to read it. 82:22 I'm so upset just hearing it. All facets of our conservation effort are under siege. All facets. 82:29 Like destroying God's creation in our country. Yeah. 82:32 Yes, and destroying our sustainable resources. You know, we're sportsmen, sportsmen, sportswomen, because we have a sustainable system of producing this. But you know what? Tell me about it. Do you think that the third world gives a crap about that? No, because they don't do it in their countries. So they come here, see ours. They don't have to obviously pay attention to our laws. 82:51 What's the Trump administration doing to fix the problem you're describing right now? 82:56 They're letting illegal aliens go during operations. 83:00 They let 20 go in North Carolina three weeks ago, three weeks ago last Sunday on one of our wild and scenic rivers. I think they apprehended 10. 83:10 They allowed 20 to walk. 83:13 in one of those wild and scenic areas in which resources were being destroyed. Are you serious? Yes, absolutely. I tweeted about it, or X'd about it, or whatever that is. Tweeted about it, and they said their systems were down, their computer systems were down. Probably these individuals were not single male adults and would have been a little harder to remove, or they would have had to put females in detention. And apparently, you know, you can't do that if you're an illegal alien female. Why do people go to detention? Why don't they just... bring them to the border of mexico where they all came from exactly or fly them right from the spot exactly i agree or put them on a big container ship and drive them across the ocean whatever you need to do yes but they allowed 20 to walk they won't answer that question i posed that question put it up on my x no wonder they want to kill you yeah probably so you know i think that uh uh if they could or not them, but if it happened, I don't think they'd be too safe. 84:06 So how exactly you said you didn't retire, you got fired? 84:09 How did that work? 84:11 You know, after Minnesota, I returned to my sector, and that was the El Centro sector. We call that the premier sector in the U.S. border. I've got to give a plug to those folks out there. The premier sector. El Centro, California. Yes. 84:24 That was the sector under Biden. East of San Diego. Between San Diego and Yuma, Arizona. Yeah. 84:29 It's a tough, tough place. Rough place, but hotter the fire, harder the metal. That was your interior staff out of the El Centro sector. Those folks controlled our part of the border under Biden. You know, we didn't prescribe to throughput and decompression. That was push as many in as you can. 84:50 Well, we didn't disobey orders, Tucker. It was through pit and decompression, the other way, back into Mexico. And guess what happened? Nobody wanted to cross the border in El Centro. We smashed them, including the red Chinese and anybody else that came across the border. So anyway, I get back to El Centro right after Minnesota, and the investigations begin. 85:14 And I'm thinking, what are you people doing? Investigations of what? 85:19 The first one that came down the bike was, you might remember the Chicago judge said that I lied in a courtroom. 85:26 That's death for a law enforcement officer to lie. 85:30 You're done. That's lack of candor. They'll get you every time on that, as they should. You shouldn't lie. Well, I didn't lie in a courtroom, by the way. I'll set the record straight on that one. Told the truth every minute. But simply because a federal judge said that, even though her entire decision was vacated by the higher court, they said what your whole ruling is ludicrous and you're actually constitutionally suspect, by the way, which should be death for a crazy judge. But The investigation, hey, you know what? 86:02 We're going to investigate you for lack of candor. 86:05 Lying. 86:07 And I'm like, huh, wow, that whole thing was vacated. What are you talking about? Doesn't matter. You're getting investigated. So they sent that case to something called a DRB. 86:18 disciplinary review board drb says you know what that's a panel of leadership within customs and border protection that takes a look at disciplinary cases highly unusual for the commissioner to send that case straight to a drb with no investigation the drb that review board looks at it and says you know what there's nothing here we see absolutely nothing here send it back case should be closed Well, that commissioner says, well, you know what? Let's take another shot at him. I'm going to weaponize internal affairs on this one. 86:50 Hey, internal affairs, this guy lied, opened an investigation on him. 86:55 When it gets to that point and they start coming after you like that, I've been in the federal government long enough to know what they're doing. They're coming after your retirement. They're not just coming to fire. They're going to take your retirement, your pension, everything. So I get a lawyer and he says, you know, I've never seen anything like this before. 87:12 You better get your ass out of the federal government real quick. Seriously? Yes, but I don't run too easy. And I said, you know, I think, you know, I think I'm going to fight this one because, hey, it's cut and dried. He goes, don't. You put a period on a piece of paper and they're going to say you lied. 87:29 um and then the second investigation came down you may have remembered the uh they accused me of anti-semitism i don't remember that was out of uh i think most americans have been accused of anti-semitism yeah of course you know another one they said that uh i made some anti-semitic comments to the u.s attorney there in in minnesota did you absolutely not uh never i never talked to him when i made the comments i was talking to some of his staff who quit the next day and then doxed me uh uh because they didn't agree with the way the border patrol or that the border patrol is even in minnesota it's crazy stuff you can't believe this stuff happens well anyway they said hey anti-semitism and the new york times ran with it what what did they say you said they said that uh i said that the jewish people were the chosen ones but that i said it in a very sarcastic tone I guess that must be anti-Semitism. 88:25 You know, I don't know. I was straight out of the Bible study from, oh, about 1976 in North Carolina. Hey, Jews chosen ones. I can say that all day long. That's not anti-Semitism. I think it'd be the opposite if I said that. 88:39 So anyway, we're in the corner of George Republican version of George Floyd here, though, where everyone is accused of some bias crime. 88:46 You bet. 88:46 Except it's now anti-Semitism, not racism, because nobody cares about black people anymore. But it's the same. It's the same thing, though. 88:52 Absolutely. So I didn't even know I was under investigation for this until the New York Times informed me, hey, since you're under investigation for anti-Semitism, would you like to make a comment? They called me and I'm like, what are you talking about? my own agency didn't even tell me it was i found that out through the new york times reporter that under investigation for anti-semitism yes the trump administration did that to you yeah cbp well customs i don't think trump knew about it no but it's the federal the administration administration yeah so i found that one out and i'm like wow this is uh this is interesting this is interesting so then to make a long story short Some special agents show up at my house, say we, you know, start not banging on the door. 89:33 Like, what's going on? What's going on here? My security team says, we don't know what's going on. What's going on? I didn't answer the door. I don't need to answer the door. 89:42 They were there for my computer, which I was retiring the next day. They said he wanted to write that right right that minute. I never talked to him. 89:51 They get the orders from somewhere in D.C. We'll just go ahead and smash the guy's door in and make entry. 89:59 Luckily, the U.S. Border Patrol was there and said, eh, it's the way that thing works. And they got sent packing. That was what was happening there. It's time to retire. This is so crazy. 90:12 I can hardly, and I mean, as far as I know, you didn't do anything other than believe the campaign promises the rest of us believed in 2024 and thought, okay, here's a chance to do what voters have asked their government to do. 90:28 Yeah. Hey, you know, when you're given a mission, you go hard at it. 90:31 And no regrets there with the mission. Regrets with how I handled some of those gate guards and the administration. You know, I would like to, I think I could have taken a more active role in briefing Trump face to face on some of this. I think that had he known and saw our strategy, what the end goal was, how Americans were coalescing behind us. I think he'd been, all right, great job. So I could have done a better job on that. 91:00 Um, you know, I think a lot of the individuals around him are non-border security professionals. They have no, they don't know the difference between border patrol and ice. Even I don't think a lot of them even know the difference between us border patrol and ice. I think it's all ice. Oh, it's an ice mission. 91:16 Vastly difference. What with, I, I never understood. I mean, you can tell my views on immigration. I think it's a disaster. It is a disaster. 91:27 But I never liked the idea of any federal agent wearing some kind of narco mask on the street. What was that? 91:35 That was the doxing. 91:38 That was the fact that they would take that agent, that agent's face and say, hey, his mother and father live at such and such an address. He and his daughter live at such and such an address. 91:54 And then people start showing up. 91:57 Within 24 hours. 91:59 And the reason we know that, one, me, I didn't wear a mask and, you know, man, they were on me quick. There were some other agents that didn't wear a mask and it happened to them immediately. I mean, within hours. 92:10 But, okay, right. We also had like a mafia and all kinds of organized criminal elements in this country over centuries, which we kind of defeated. 92:20 So if there were organized groups threatening the families of federal employees, we should probably go after those groups. 92:27 Go after the groups and the folks that fund those groups, you bet. Wholesale. Why is that hard? 92:32 Why is that a hard concept? 92:34 No, I'm serious, because then everything falls apart. That's not a partisan question. 92:38 It's just like the system falls apart if no one can enforce the law because of threats from criminal gangs. 92:44 Right? 92:46 Absolutely. And the anarchists in the streets. 92:49 Yeah, but there's never been a systematic effort to fix any of that. And I don't know why. 92:53 You know, there was the one effort that I saw was that U.S. attorney out of the Central District in California. His name is Bill Asaley. What a patriot that man was. He actually did go after those individuals in California when we were in Los Angeles. And you know what that did? 93:11 That really dialed down the violence against our effort in those cities, dialed the riots down, dialed the crazies down because he was actively going after them and prosecuting them. He got some fantastic prosecutions. That's been lost. 93:29 in, in, in, in, in, in the narrative somehow, uh, what a success that man was. 93:36 We had the opposite in, in, in the other cities is, you know what, we're not, we're going to wait till, till they leave and just not do anything because, you know, my gosh, this is scary. And, you know, there'd be awful, a lot of prosecutions and my gracious, but assailing the FBI there in, in central district Los Angeles, they did a fantastic job. They proof tested that concept. It can be done. They did it. The FBI, along with with that U.S. attorney, they kicked butt. But there were a lot of other U.S. attorneys that were patently against us. 94:10 Some of them actually got fired under the Trump administration. 94:12 Well, I would hope so. 94:14 But you should be able to enforce the law. I mean, what's the point of the system if you can't do that? 94:21 and by the way i do think i get why people want to wear masks i get why they're afraid but i also feel like you seed you give up some legitimacy when you do that like when you're enforcing the laws of federal law enforcement officer you're standing behind laws that the congress passed elected by the people of this country like you are the front line in a system that we all hope is legitimate if you can't show your face in public I don't know. I mean, what message are you sending? We can't control our own country? We're not legitimate enough to defeat domestic insurgencies against us? 94:57 What are you saying? It's such an expression of weakness. I guess it freaks me out. Does that make sense? 95:03 It does. And then, again, why do we allow anarchy to take place in the streets in the face of law enforcement and normalize it? Why is that allowed to be normalized? 95:16 Well, only certain kinds of anarchy are allowed to be normalized. The ones that the donors prefer. 95:21 But most people are not for that at all. And if you were to have like a mass protest against election theft or illegal immigration, it'd be shut down immediately by the same people who allow Black Lives Matter protests to destroy our cities. Yes. Right? So it's like a selective enforcement. And I think it all goes back to the root cause, which is the richest people in the country are trying to destroy the country. 95:43 That's my opinion. Or they don't care. They want to get richer and they'll do it on the backs of you. They'll step on the dead bodies of their citizens to get there. 100%. 95:52 I wish I didn't think that, but I do think that because the evidence is in, don't you think? 95:58 It's it's getting irrefutable at this point to have what's happening in our country take place now. 96:04 I wouldn't be speaking if you had said you're going on Tucker and you're going to say what I just have said. I said, you're absolutely crazy. I was going to put this in the book, but you know, it needs to be said now. 96:15 It needs to be said now. If you told me when I was, you know, speaking on Thursday night at the Republican National Convention, introducing Trump, that two years later, I would be talking to a former federal official about how he betrayed the entire country in immigration or his administration did. I'd be like, I don't think that that that's not possible. 96:35 I mean, this whole thing is so shocking to me. I can't believe it's happening. 96:38 Yeah. Well, you know, I think it shocked a lot of Americans. They thought there was so much hope out there. And that's probably one of the greatest, one of the most heart-rending messages I get is there was so much hope with what was happening in those cities. We watched you guys, the green team every night, and we thought we're there. Hey, we're taking it back. Even Europe. You know, I've been going to Europe quite a bit here lately, talking to those folks with the Remigration Summits and Restore Britain and that type of thing. 97:08 And they said the same thing. We've got the same problem with the same solution. We watched what was happening starting in Los Angeles. Every night they were glued. They said, man, there's hope. Look at this. This is really going to happen and it's going to start happening in Europe. And then all of a sudden, Lights out. The light switch was turned off and it all ground to a halt. All that hope ground to a halt. And, you know, it's shocking. You just said you're shocked. I'm shocked. 97:36 I would never have thought that would have happened. You know, the momentum was building and then the light switch went out. We went into darkness. 97:46 What do you think happens next? 97:49 have great faith in american exceptionalism um people like tucker carlson people like these young conservatives as young people you're i think you're going to start seeing a lot of young people in campuses and throughout the united states standing up saying wait a second we've had enough we want the story of america back We want to make the story of America. We want to know what America is like. We're done with this. And I think there's going to be a lot of pressure put on the donor class, on President Trump and many of these and the feckless bureaucrats that I've just talked about, those gate guards, those worthless gate guards. 98:27 And, you know, I'm always an optimist. I'm always an optimist. Never be a defeatist. We've been up against some dark times before in this nation. Maybe not this dark. But we have and we always came through. I think that you or I wouldn't be talking if we thought it was done. You know, I think that despair is for those who see the end beyond any doubt. I'm not in despair yet. 98:51 But we're rapidly that windows closing. And I think that as long as we're talking about this and that people care and that there's still enough Americans here ready to do what it takes, we can write the ship. We can do it. Maybe it takes off tomorrow. That spark has to be lit. Hope you like the spark, Tucker. 99:15 Greg Bovino, thank you very much for doing this. I appreciate it. Pleasure's been mine, sir. Boy, you upset me.